“Medical physicians are trained that [diabetes is] not reversible... Still to this day, I would say 95% of medical physicians do not know it’s reversible.” - Dr. Jeffrey Hockings, Diabetes Reversal Group
Type 2 diabetes costs a self-funded employer about $15,000 a year per diabetic employee, and the standard of care is to manage it with medications for life. Dr. Jeffrey Hockings has spent almost 17 years showing it can be reversed instead. More than 10,000 people have reversed it on Diabetes Reversal Group’s patented program of food and supplements.
Jeffrey explains how DRG works with each employee’s own doctor to wean them off medications, and how its money-back guarantee lets employers offer the program with no risk. He also covers why making the program free can backfire, why it cuts out dairy entirely, and his take on GLP-1s.
If diabetes is one of the biggest line items in your plan, this is the episode for you. Tune in.
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Chapters:
(00:00:00) Intro: Most Doctors Think It Can’t Be Reversed
(00:02:37) Meet Dr. Jeffrey Hockings and DRG
(00:06:29) Why Doctors Aren’t Taught Reversal
(00:08:37) What Diabetes Costs an Employer
(00:10:26) Fix Health, Not Just Healthcare
(00:12:50) From Direct-to-Consumer to Employers
(00:13:59) How the Money-Back Guarantee Works
(00:16:32) Why DRG Skips CGMs
(00:18:56) What Patients Eat
(00:20:58) Why Dairy Is Off the Table
(00:24:21) Treat Days After Reversal
(00:28:14) Why Free Programs Fail
(00:31:28) Getting Doctors to Take Patients Off Meds
(00:38:00) GLP-1s and the Fen-Phen Comparison
(00:41:46) What’s Next for DRG
(00:47:42) The Role of Exercise
(00:49:07) Closing Thoughts
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