"To quote my business partner, a broker makes you broker."

To celebrate the 5-year and 250th-episode anniversary of the podcast, we recorded a special live panel in front of an audience featuring three of the most forward-thinking minds in the benefits space: Chris Hamilton (Hotchkiss Insurance), Taylor Rogers (CCIG), and Seth Denson (Acrisure).

In this "State of the Union" episode, we tackle the existential crisis facing mid-market employers and the healthcare industry at large. The panel holds nothing back as we debate the illusion of PPO network discounts, the weaponization of AI in medical billing, and why staying fully-insured absolutely does not protect a CFO from fiduciary liability lawsuits.

The guys also share their personal "Jerry Maguire" moments - the exact turning points in their careers when they decided to stop chasing commissions and start fighting for the patients and employers footing the bill.

Following the main discussion, we hosted a Q&A featuring questions from the audience.

If you are an employer looking to take control of your healthcare spend or an advisor wanting to stay relevant in a rapidly changing market, this live discussion is packed with actionable strategy.

Thank you to all who have listened for helping us get to 5 years!

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Episode Chapters

(00:00:00) Intro: Welcome to the 5-Year Anniversary Live Show
(00:01:51) Meet the Panel: Chris Hamilton, Taylor Rogers, and Seth Denson
(00:04:56) State of the Union: Is the Benefits Industry in a Crisis?
(00:11:12) Broker vs. Consultant: Defining the Difference
(00:17:26) Following the Money: Controlling Facility Costs & Member Experience
(00:24:02) Are Traditional PPO Networks a Scam?
(00:34:46) Building Tiered Benefit Structures and Narrow Networks
(00:40:22) The AI Threat: Weaponized Billing and the Loss of the "Training Ground"
(00:55:40) Fiduciary Responsibility and the Threat of Employer Lawsuits
(01:05:03) The Next 5 Years: Breaking Up Insurance Monopolies
(01:11:18) Audience Q&A: Preventing High-Cost Claimants with DPC
(01:15:30) The Panel's "Jerry Maguire" Career Moments
(01:20:46) The Reality of Price Transparency and Medical Shopping
(01:26:03) Navigating the Wild West of the No Surprises Act (NSA)
(01:29:45) Why Fully-Insured Plans Don't Protect CFOs from Fiduciary Liability
(01:32:21) Closing Remarks and the 5-Year Whiskey Giveaway

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